Armor+5 or HP+30? - Guild Wars Forums

Wolala Wagaga · Dec 16, 2007, 03:38 AM // 03:38

as topic, i am wondering is there worth using armor +5 on ur weapon? HP+30 seems alot more versitale, and definitely alot more popular in both PvE and PvP... but i will like to know what ppl's take on this

October Jade · Dec 16, 2007, 03:42 AM // 03:42

Carry one of each; use the armor boost until you're about to die, then switch to +30. The rest of the time the extra health isn't doing you any good.

bilateralrope · Dec 16, 2007, 03:51 AM // 03:51

If you can't be bothered switching, +armor works best in PvE simply because its working every single time you take armor effected damage (such as an enemy wanding you) while, like October Jade said, +hp is doing nothing unless you are between 0 and 30 hp with it equipped.

And + armor is usually cheaper to buy.

wetsparks · Dec 16, 2007, 05:10 AM // 05:10

with armor ignoring spells though the +30 does you a lot more good.

Solus Spartan · Dec 16, 2007, 05:45 AM // 05:45

People buy +30hp for more, so it's a +5 weapon i'll usually cuztomise it.
I'd say +5 is better, +30hp makes it sell better

bilateralrope · Dec 16, 2007, 05:57 AM // 05:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by wetsparks

with armor ignoring spells though the +30 does you a lot more good.

How often do you get between 30 and 0 hp on the +hp mod ?

And of those occasions, how many of them have you actually survived ?

Onarik Amrak · Dec 16, 2007, 06:25 AM // 06:25

I was about to reach for the dead horse .gif... but I'll throw you a bone.

It depends on what you're fighting.

oresteez · Dec 17, 2007, 03:19 PM // 15:19

i'm a pve MM necro, and for my playstyle, I'd have to go with the +30 hp...since I'm going to be constantly giving my HP to my minions...

So it's really a question that varies based on your character...

Shadow Spirit · Dec 17, 2007, 03:29 PM // 15:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by oresteez

i'm a pve MM necro, and for my playstyle, I'd have to go with the +30 hp...since I'm going to be constantly giving my HP to my minions...

So it's really a question that varies based on your character...

You'll actually be better off having less health as a MM. Blood of the Master sacrifice is based on your max health, so the lower your max HP is, the less you sacrifice.

oresteez · Dec 17, 2007, 03:32 PM // 15:32

thanks for the tip..i'm still new, so I'll have to mess around with it in game

Shadow Spirit · Dec 17, 2007, 03:38 PM // 15:38

No problem. Here's a link you may find useful:

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/General..._mastery_guide

Although you should always remember that the wiki is created by players. So it's not always 100% accurate.

Steboy93 · Dec 17, 2007, 05:55 PM // 17:55

Generally I would go for +30hp but that's just my opinion.

quickmonty · Dec 17, 2007, 06:07 PM // 18:07

This has been argued for a couple years. I think October Jade's sugestion is good.

Quote:

Carry one of each; use the armor boost until you're about to die, then switch to +30. The rest of the time the extra health isn't doing you any good.

Dante the Warlord · Dec 17, 2007, 08:51 PM // 20:51

Ive been told that +30 is better for a spellcasters actually. The reason why was that spellcasters generally stayed in the back, far enough not to be hit at least. While armor is by far VERY useful to a spellcaster since they have very low armor, ive been told that +30 would be "better". This is what i have been told from past gw gururers, since i believe i asked this exact same question

P.S. for mm's go 36% HSR and HCT(two 20's combined)

its better since you need to gain as many minions as fast as possible

moriz · Dec 17, 2007, 08:55 PM // 20:55

i'd go with +30 hp simply because it's good in any situation. i've been reduced down to <30hp in pvp more times than i can count.

Yanman.be · Dec 17, 2007, 08:58 PM // 20:58

PvP? +30

PvE? Cheapest thing you can find!

Alex Morningstar · Dec 17, 2007, 09:19 PM // 21:19

PvP +30

PvE +5 Armor if you are going to keep it, +30 if you want to sell it.

Why? Everyone wants +30 because a few vocal players decided it was the only thing worth having and everyone else that can't think for themselves simply agree. +30 against a mob of monsters wont do you much, while +5 will reduce the overall damage you take.

bilateralrope · Dec 17, 2007, 10:57 PM // 22:57

Wiki article on armor rating. The first thing you should note is that for armor effected damage +x armor will always reduce the damage received by the same percentage regardless of the starting AL for a given value of x.

+5 armor is an 8.3% damage reduction

Lets assume a level 20 character with a sup vigor and a sup attribute rune. So 480 + 50 - 75 = 455 hp

If you add a +30 hp mod you bring your hp to 485, and the +30 only makes up 6.2% of your total hp. If you increase your hp from other sources, this percentage decreases. For the +30 mod to be above 8.3% of your hp, you would need to be at 361hp with the mod (30/0.083).

But even then it only performs as well as the +AL if your either not being healed, or your only taking armor ignoring damage. For PvE I'm not aware of a single enemy that does armor ignoring damage that doesn't also use its basic attack. And the only armor ignoring basic attack I know of is if they illusionary weaponry up. So apart from the illusionary weaponry enemies, every PvE enemy will cause the +al mod to take effect.

On the other hand +hp will only work in two situations:
1 - You take the damage to pull you under 30hp with the mod and you get healed before dying. Since your at <30hp, this will only take a wand or two.

2 - You manage to do something useful before dying, like getting off a skill just before the fatal blow comes.

In all other situations it does nothing except let more hp get lost to saccing or let 3 more damage per hit slip through prot spirit.

For PvE if either of these cases come up, you got really lucky.

ShadowsRequiem · Dec 17, 2007, 11:09 PM // 23:09

Dunno who uses 485 hp as that is very low. Most people use minors now having there health around 585-640 hp

Use whatever you feel you like, test out both and see if they fit your playing style. If you run into a lot of physical dmg use +5, or if you have heavy degen use +30.

Quaker · Dec 17, 2007, 11:10 PM // 23:10

I prefer +30 health myself, although many of my Hero's weapons have +5 armor. Armor +5 only helps against attack damage, whereas h+30 helps give you a bigger buffer against degen type damage (poison, bleeding, etc.)

But, as they say, it depends on your playstyle and such.

Dec 16, 2007, 03:38 AM // 03:38	#1
Wolala Wagaga Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2007	Armor+5 or HP+30? as topic, i am wondering is there worth using armor +5 on ur weapon? HP+30 seems alot more versitale, and definitely alot more popular in both PvE and PvP... but i will like to know what ppl's take on this

Dec 17, 2007, 11:10 PM // 23:10	#20
Quaker Hell's Protector Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canada Guild: Brothers Disgruntled	I prefer +30 health myself, although many of my Hero's weapons have +5 armor. Armor +5 only helps against attack damage, whereas h+30 helps give you a bigger buffer against degen type damage (poison, bleeding, etc.) But, as they say, it depends on your playstyle and such. Last edited by Quaker; Dec 17, 2007 at 11:19 PM // 23:19..

Dec 16, 2007, 03:42 AM // 03:42	#2
October Jade Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: drifting between Indiana and NorCal	Carry one of each; use the armor boost until you're about to die, then switch to +30. The rest of the time the extra health isn't doing you any good.

Dec 16, 2007, 03:51 AM // 03:51	#3
bilateralrope Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: New Zealand Guild: Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)	If you can't be bothered switching, +armor works best in PvE simply because its working every single time you take armor effected damage (such as an enemy wanding you) while, like October Jade said, +hp is doing nothing unless you are between 0 and 30 hp with it equipped. And + armor is usually cheaper to buy.

Dec 16, 2007, 05:10 AM // 05:10	#4
wetsparks Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2006	with armor ignoring spells though the +30 does you a lot more good.

Dec 16, 2007, 05:45 AM // 05:45	#5
Solus Spartan Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Australia Guild: [Lawl] Profession: Mo/	People buy +30hp for more, so it's a +5 weapon i'll usually cuztomise it. I'd say +5 is better, +30hp makes it sell better

Dec 16, 2007, 06:25 AM // 06:25	#7
Onarik Amrak Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Astral Revenants Profession: P/W	I was about to reach for the dead horse .gif... but I'll throw you a bone. It depends on what you're fighting.

Dec 17, 2007, 03:19 PM // 15:19	#8
oresteez Academy Page Join Date: Dec 2007	i'm a pve MM necro, and for my playstyle, I'd have to go with the +30 hp...since I'm going to be constantly giving my HP to my minions... So it's really a question that varies based on your character...

Dec 17, 2007, 03:32 PM // 15:32	#10
oresteez Academy Page Join Date: Dec 2007	thanks for the tip..i'm still new, so I'll have to mess around with it in game

Dec 17, 2007, 03:38 PM // 15:38	#11
Shadow Spirit Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Chicago Guild: your cat eats dog food [pup] Profession: N/E	No problem. Here's a link you may find useful: http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/General..._mastery_guide Although you should always remember that the wiki is created by players. So it's not always 100% accurate.

Dec 17, 2007, 05:55 PM // 17:55	#12
Steboy93 Furnace Stoker Join Date: Feb 2007 Guild: Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] \| Ex-Officer [TAM] Profession: W/	Generally I would go for +30hp but that's just my opinion.

Dec 17, 2007, 08:51 PM // 20:51	#14
Dante the Warlord Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: W/R	Ive been told that +30 is better for a spellcasters actually. The reason why was that spellcasters generally stayed in the back, far enough not to be hit at least. While armor is by far VERY useful to a spellcaster since they have very low armor, ive been told that +30 would be "better". This is what i have been told from past gw gururers, since i believe i asked this exact same question P.S. for mm's go 36% HSR and HCT(two 20's combined) its better since you need to gain as many minions as fast as possible

Dec 17, 2007, 08:55 PM // 20:55	#15
moriz ??ber t??k-n??sh'??n Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canada Profession: R/	i'd go with +30 hp simply because it's good in any situation. i've been reduced down to <30hp in pvp more times than i can count.

Dec 17, 2007, 08:58 PM // 20:58	#16
Yanman.be Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Belgium Guild: [ROSE] Profession: A/	PvP? +30 PvE? Cheapest thing you can find!

Dec 17, 2007, 09:19 PM // 21:19	#17
Alex Morningstar Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2006 Guild: Team Asshat [Hat] leader - [GR] Alliance Profession: Mo/	PvP +30 PvE +5 Armor if you are going to keep it, +30 if you want to sell it. Why? Everyone wants +30 because a few vocal players decided it was the only thing worth having and everyone else that can't think for themselves simply agree. +30 against a mob of monsters wont do you much, while +5 will reduce the overall damage you take.

Dec 17, 2007, 10:57 PM // 22:57	#18
bilateralrope Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: New Zealand Guild: Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)	Wiki article on armor rating. The first thing you should note is that for armor effected damage +x armor will always reduce the damage received by the same percentage regardless of the starting AL for a given value of x. +5 armor is an 8.3% damage reduction Lets assume a level 20 character with a sup vigor and a sup attribute rune. So 480 + 50 - 75 = 455 hp If you add a +30 hp mod you bring your hp to 485, and the +30 only makes up 6.2% of your total hp. If you increase your hp from other sources, this percentage decreases. For the +30 mod to be above 8.3% of your hp, you would need to be at 361hp with the mod (30/0.083). But even then it only performs as well as the +AL if your either not being healed, or your only taking armor ignoring damage. For PvE I'm not aware of a single enemy that does armor ignoring damage that doesn't also use its basic attack. And the only armor ignoring basic attack I know of is if they illusionary weaponry up. So apart from the illusionary weaponry enemies, every PvE enemy will cause the +al mod to take effect. On the other hand +hp will only work in two situations: 1 - You take the damage to pull you under 30hp with the mod and you get healed before dying. Since your at <30hp, this will only take a wand or two. 2 - You manage to do something useful before dying, like getting off a skill just before the fatal blow comes. In all other situations it does nothing except let more hp get lost to saccing or let 3 more damage per hit slip through prot spirit. For PvE if either of these cases come up, you got really lucky.

Dec 17, 2007, 11:09 PM // 23:09	#19
ShadowsRequiem Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2005 Guild: Inde is Smoking [Hawt] ToA Profession: W/E	Dunno who uses 485 hp as that is very low. Most people use minors now having there health around 585-640 hp Use whatever you feel you like, test out both and see if they fit your playing style. If you run into a lot of physical dmg use +5, or if you have heavy degen use +30.